@JessTheUnstill @bohwaz @punkfairie @ajsadauskas @tomiahonen @fuchsiii

Granted, @tails_live @tails / #Tails and @torproject / #TorBrowser are propably one of the best & most battle-tested options that are useable for #TechIlliterates...

• OFC #OpenBSD + #LynxBrowser forced through #Tor would be more #secure (on paper) but we can all agree it's neither feasible nor practical to expect "#Normies" to work within a 80x25 TUI and learn #BSD.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

If not for being absurd then for the fact that people need to get things done!

• And it's not as if I haven't taught people how to get started, ranging from having to crash-course someone remotely via chat to hand-on #CryptoParty sessions: If it's way more complex than an AKM chances are people won't stick with it!

So you can imagine how glad I was when @thunderbird merged #Enigmail into #Thunderbird so there's no more fiddling around getting #PGP/MIME to work!

@JessTheUnstill @bohwaz @punkfairie @ajsadauskas @tomiahonen @fuchsiii Exactly...

Coincidentially, that's why #Android (and #iOS) doesn't let users have #root access because billions of devices owned by mostly "#TechIlliterates" that hardly get #SecurityUpdates would be an even bigger risk if they didn't boot a locked-down #ROM image, thus only allowing for #malware in user-privilegued userspace!

• I'd even go so far that I'd wish for @torproject to basically merge fmr. #FirefoxOS / #KaiOS & @tails_live / @tails / #Tails to build a #privacy-focussed #ROM for #Smartphones and #Tablets i.e. "#TailsMobile" or sth.

Cuz having a mobile OS that shoves everything through #Tor and only allows #userspace-Apps in the form modern web technologies would be a big #security and #privacy gain.

• Not to mention #amd64 is on it's way out and inevitably they gotta have to transition to supporting #arm64 and eventually #RISCv-#64bit at some point.

@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen @fuchsiii

And #MeeGo aka. #Maemo kinda was lauched dead in the water, with even less support than the #OpenMoko powered FIC Neo1973 in it's days, which was as approachable to #TechIlliterates as a F-22 cockpit to an illiterate…

@jamey yeah.

That's why I don't.fo #TechSupport: I don't have spoons.to deal with #TechIlliterates and #Normies that insult my intellect and refuse to follow simple instructions!

@Andromxda @mollyim no it's not bs and fanboying @signalapp isn't going to change that.

If #Signal was secure it would be the #1 comms tool of organized crime...

• Yet I've only seen #TechIlliterates shill it.

Real professionals use #SelfHosting capable, fully #FLOSS'd solutions like #PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO.

• Again: Demanding #PII like #PhoneNumbers and shilling a #Shitcoin-#Scam (#MobileCoin) makes Signal literally untrustworthy and if it doesn't for you then maybe your standards are just too low...

It's just me reading the room: Cuz #ComSec isn't done woth "JuSt UsE sIgNaL!" and everyone who claims so without pointing out #OpSec, #InfoSec & #ITsec is BSing hard.

• The cold hard truth is that #TechLiteracy is irreplaceable and the only solution to it is to actually teach normies how to "get gud" with stuff like PGP.

Fortunatelty, @thunderbird and @tails_live / @tails / #Tails and many other tools make that easier than ever before.

• So rather than vomiting insults against my intellect in my mentions, go to the next @cryptoparty@mastodon.earth / #Cryptoparty / @cryptoparty@chaos.social and lend a hand.

@empathicqubit @crazy_pony @signalapp @monocles @delta

I disagree, because the few steps needed can be taught to literal #TechIlliterates within minutes, and I did so several times, walking them through.

• We as #TechLiterates are responsible to teach #TechLiteracy to #TechIlliterate "#Normies", or we deserve then damnation through our own hubris!

@bkastl IMHO #TechIlliterates are the problem!

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114222860050759699

@imnotafeline Yeah, similarly weird how #TechIlliterates can lead #ITsec regulators and investigation units...

@GrayGooGirl that's why #TechIlliterates should not be allowed to do #Management for anything they don't know!

@f @ai6yr @briankrebs I think it's less of a "#political" question but an act of #SelfDefense and #MutualDefense at this point.

• So far @torproject / #TorBrowser set to highest security settings is the most secure option that has proper maintenance & track record and ain't a #TUI-only app like #LynxBrowser.

Re: #TechIlliterates that are unwilling to learn, act like a "#BenevolentDictator" and enshure they can't harm themselves in the sense that they don't get #sudo or other administrative privilegues and can't do any #persistent #changes.

• And if that means they get forced to use #Tails then that's a "necessary evil"...

After all, societies almost everywhere ban people from driving motor vehicles faster than 6 km/h by people who actively refuse to even take basic exams and classes for a #DrivingLicense.

• And I'm convinced one can do more damage as #TechIlliterate with a #PC than a single-cylinger two-stroke engine driven motorcycle...

@ai6yr @briankrebs OFC this targets #TechIlliterates and the only effective means here are:

1. Teach #TechLiteracy instead of consumerism.
2. Mandate #confirmation & #notification - #PopUp|s for every use of #Clipboard (similar to #webcam use by websites)...
3. Ban #JavaScript - seriously!
4. Ban #Windows, because it's a #Govware, espechally since #Windows10 and even more so on #Windows11 that is *insecure in every configuration!
5. Put #TechIlliterates before a system they can't feck up. I.e. @tails_live @tails / #Tails for that reason alone (can't run such commands if they neither got #root nor any #persistent #storage to target).
6. Normalize the use of @torproject #TorBrowser!
7. #Teach #tech #literacy instead of #consumerism!
8. Ban #GAFAMs and their shitty products!
9. Migrate every #TechIlliterate to #Linux and don't give them administrative privilegues.
10. Teach tech literacy instead of consumerism!

@leyrer +9001%

#TechIlliterates im #Management sind ne absolute Plage und gehören echt verboten!

Ich hab' kein Bock mehr auf #BuzzwordBingo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5zRe8wa4pM

@fristi it is only shit when we allow #TechIlliterates to make decisions...

@kinetix @delta @anthropy I am aware of #DeltaChat.

• As for #XMPP+#OMEMO clients, I can recommend @gajim / #gajim & @monocles / #monoclesChat hands-down, as both are super-easy to setup and get even abdolute #TechIlliterates rollin'...

@mike no, this is intentional, just like any other #DarkPattern use designed to nudge #TechIlliterates into #Office365 and ither #subscriptions!

@pixelschubsi @erebion @inaruck so oder so sind alle aktuellen #XMPP-Clients, besonders @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim / #gajim warnen ganz eindeutig gegen unverschlüsselte kommunikation!

• Außerdem kann ich schneller #TechIlliterates auf #XMPP+#OMEMO onboarden als irgendwer eine anonyme #SIM oder #eSIM mit #Rufnummer besorgen kann.

Zumal auch das nen Kostenfaktor ist, wohingegen es drölfzig Optionen gibt was XMPP angeht!

@dalias @lauren
@pixelschubsi

Also the blatant dismissal of absolitely basic #OpSec & #ComSec is just flabberghasting.

• It's inherently wrong to put all eggs in one basket and #Signal being not shut down like #SkyECC & #EncroChat makes it just as sus as #ANØM / #OperationIronside / #OperatioTrøjanShield and #CryptoAG / #MINERVA / #RUBIKON.

Only #decentralized, #OpenSource & #OpenStandards can actuall survive long-term and remain #secure.

• Otherwise we'd all gaslight ourselves into ignoring the hard lessions we learned that bought us to the #Fediverse and why we ain't on #Shitter or #tumblr or #BrownSky or #NSAbook (any more)!

It's the same reasons we use #PGPG/MIME & #SSH and not #X400 & #X25!

• Unlike with @signalapp one doesn't has to trust the provider or app. #XMPP+#OMEMO works regardless if you use @monocles or @gajim or do #SelfHosting and only trust code you wrote yourself...

IOW: Think "How can you weaponize Signal?" and see what you csn do just holding key people in contempt...

• And I'm not even talkibg about #Govware - #Backdoors and #MassSurveillance alike #Room651A, but just duely submitted warrants that @Mer__edith will comply with...

The less #info a provider has, the less they can be forced to snitch upon customers.

• So even if you don't give a shit that #CloudAct makes this a "#CantUse & #WintUse" (out of US-centrist privilegue to not comply #GDPR & #BDSG) for many, it's still dishonest.

"#JustUseSgnal!" is a form of dangerous "#TechPopulism" aimed at bamboozling #TechIlliterates who don't know better, abusing information asymetry to pull rank instead of investing the time and effort to *explain "how" and "why" this is indeed a good or bad idea.

• There's a reason why @tails_live / @tails / #Tails doesn't include #Signal and why I'll say it again that XMPP+OMEMO over @torproject / #Tor is the gold standard in terms of #privacy and #security when it comes to #ComSec that isn't #airgapped aka. "Airgapped PGP".

The only ones that have a chance to beat that are @delta / #deltaChat but that's just #PGP/MIME #eMail in a nice UI...

• You may now laugh at me and think my "#TinfoilHat sits too tight" but I'm shure sooner or later I'll be evidenced as correct...

@lauren I disagree as @signalapp requires a #PhoneNumber = #PII & cost barrier and they restrict access based off #PhoneNumbers.

• Plus it's illegal in an increasing number if juristictions to gmeven attempt to acquire a phone number or SIM anonymously.

Whereas it's so easy and fast to get #TechIlliterates setup with #XMPP+#OMEMO (which uninke #Signal doesn't demand PII!) that I'd challenge you to a #speedrun with step-by-step documentation for every #TechIlliterate to follow along to setup Signal from scratch vs. me doing #XMPP+#OMEMO on @monocles @gajim.

• Cuz I did that on @cryptoparty / #CryptoParty / #CryptoParties quite often.

Also #Signal being #centralized makes it as vulnerable as any other #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution!

• Whereas even if #monocles were to shutdown, one could easily switch over to any other provider or #SelfHosting.

I'd not count on the #Trump-Regime not flexing #CloudAct against anyone they deem undesireable!