@bob_zim yeah. Seen it. in the writeup by @micahflee ...

I just hope to find any that ain't #NetLock'd / #SimLock'd to #Verizon and that these support more than #US-#LTE bands...

• Not shure if it needs a valid #SIM or just an #ICCID + #Ki on a #SIM to get going (cuz in #Germany it's hard [imported #SIM] to illegal [domestic SIMs] to get an anonymous SIM since 07/2017.

I just wish @eff wouldn't expect everyone to use #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider services like @signalapp in the age of #CloudAct, cuz neither I nor anyone I'd trust would submit #PII to them like a #PhoneNumer as a matter of principle!

@ajsadauskas @JessTheUnstill @tomiahonen yes, and to add insult to injury #Mozilla didn't even wanted to sell people like @fuchsiii or me a #FirefoxOS device, with the only one being "launched" in the #EU being a #SimLock'd & #NetLock'd #prepaid phone in #Spain one could only attain in-store with all the "#KYC" nonsense they had, demanding a legal address in Spain back then.

• So whilst Firefox OS had the most "#accessible" #Development #tools (literally using #Firefox for it and having every #App as #WebView|s / #HTML5+#JS5+#CSS3 files in a container), they didn't even sold us said devices, making it a worse flop than #UbuntuTouch which at least still gets some devices made that support it...

And #nerds like myself are far from the "#consoomer #Normies" for whom stuff that isn't on shelves at Staturn/MediaMarkt, BestBuy, Walmart, ... doesn't exist. I'm used to importing #tech that I want!

• Feels even more half-assed than #MobileCoin in hindsight…

@Rusty @dragonarchitect I disagree re: webOS and FirefoxOS.

#webOS failed due to lack of market penetration (there was only like 1 Tablet from #hp) and #FirefoxOS failed because @mozillaofficial didn't even offer to sell devices to folks like me and @fuchsiii that wanted one.

• The only devices with #Firefox OS in the #EU were a few #NetLock'd #prepaid phones that got sold in Spain (reqiring ID for no valid reason!) and which were essentially useless for anyone outside of Spain.

Add to that the absurdity that #Mozilla basically expected carriers (!!) to maintain and provide the #AppStore|s themselves and you get market fracturing worse than the "P.R." #China (!!!)…

It was mismanaged and self-sabotaged in the worst possible way.

• Similar to how #OLPC never sold the #XO1 in retail and didn't even offer the "Give one, Get one" deal in most places...

The #Duopoly of #Android & #iOS wasn't unavoidable, but an outcome of #SelfSabotage and halfassed non-commitment by competitors!

@quasigod there's a reason #SimLock and #NetLock died in #Europe over a decade ago.

• People don't like getting shafted - espechally on expensive devices.

That being said even #Prepaid providers don't lock their devices anymore but instead they just sell people devices at cost with a tiny margin and make their €€€ longterm bunding a free #SIM with every purchase.

• But yeah, #US #Telco|s are shit!

@usaryan1 @jon +9001%

#RIP #FirefoxOS, cuz @mozillaofficial refusing to sell #develooers devices made it a stillborn!

• Seriously, the only Firefox OS phone in the #EU was some spanish #NetLock'd & #SimLock'd device that one could only get by ID'ing in-store in #Spain and go through #KYC #SecurityTheater cuz it was sold only in a #Prepaid bundle!

@etua_en @mozilla I never expected #FirefoxOS to become big overnight, but I actually was shouting "#ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney!" and they were like 'Go to Spain and get that obscure prepaid bundle and pray the carrier lets you buy an unlock code to get rid of the #NetLock so you can actually use that thing!'...

And that's just #NotCool!

@ustralien yeah, @ubuntu bitched that one as well, abeit unlike @mozilla there actually was a.distribotir selling some in #Germany without #NetLock / #SimLock...

@frumble @mozilla Und ja, alle #WebDevs die ich kenne waren begeistert wo #FirefoxOS vorgestellt wurde weil dann ist #Apps programmieren umso einfacher und ohne Bullshit möglich...

• Doof nur dass weder ich noch @fuchsiii noch sonstwer den ich kannte je ein #Firefox-OS - Gerät kaufen konnten, egal wieviel es gekostet hätte.

Die einzigen FirefoxOS-Geräte in der #EU waren #SimLock'd / #NetLock'd #Prepaid-Handys die nur in Spanien bei Telefonica nur als Bundle mit SIM in Shops verkauft wurden!