@elementary tl;dr I support your objectives, and kudos on the goal, but I think you should monitor this new policy for unexpected negative outcomes. I take about 9k characters to explain why, but I’m not criticizing your intent.

While I am much more pragmatic about my stance on #aicoding this was previously a long-running issue of contention on the #StackExchange network that was never really effectively resolved outside of a few clearly egregious cases.

The triple-net is that when it comes to certain parts of software—think of the SCO copyright trials over header files from a few decades back—in many cases, obvious code will be, well…obvious. That “the simplest thing that could possibly work” was produced by an AI instead of a person is difficult to prove using existing tools, and false accusations of plagiarism have been a huge problem that has caused a number of people real #reputationalharm over the last couple of years.

That said, I don’t disagree with the stance that #vibecoding is not worth the pixels that it takes up on a screen. From a more pragmatic standpoint, though, it may be more useful to address the underlying principle that #plagiarism is unacceptable from a community standards or copyright perspective rather than making it a tool-specific policy issue.

I’m a firm believer that people have the right to run their community projects in whatever way best serves their community members. I’m only pointing out the pragmatic issues of setting forth a policy where the likelihood of false positives is quite high, and the level of pragmatic enforceability may be quite low. That is something that could lead to reputational harm to people and the project, or to community in-fighting down the road, when the real policy you’re promoting (as I understand it) is just a fundamental expectation of “original human contributions” to the project.

Because I work in #riskmanagement and #cybersecurity I see this a lot. This is an issue that comes up more often than you might think. Again, I fully support your objectives, but just wanted to offer an alternative viewpoint that your project might want to revisit down the road if the current policy doesn’t achieve the results that you’re hoping for.

In the meantime, I certainly wish you every possible success! You’re taking a #thoughtleadership stance on an important #AIgovernance policy issue that is important to society and to #FOSS right now. I think that’s terrific!

@GottaLaff Key takeaways: 1) Heritage Foundation pwned #Hegseth and the #DoD there's at least 1 leaker in the DoD and they won't be able to find out who because they distributed the 'secret' so widely. 3) Hegseth & Co. are too lazy to do anything but plagiarize.

@AlexanderKingsbury @pafurijaz

Yes, the general public is indeed very dumb and apathetic. Look at #America as a prime example.

Doesn’t mean we need to bend over for the #capitalist shitheads stealing from artists and maximizing their profits by replacing real people with slop regurgitating bots.

You are free to use ai and I am free to call it soulless slop pumped out by untalented hacks.

@VeroniqueB99

If it's an act of interesting creation, worth mentioning widely, and especially in a school, I hope permission was sought. Rather than citing an anonymous student, I would hope that person was offered the opportunity to be named.

Perhaps they didn't want to be named, which is fine, but then just saying so would be good. That gives the anonymous person, when they see it spreading around, the ability to disagree about being asked or about that being their answer.

Not mentioning authorship makes it more deniable, like maybe it was an oversight, which is why we as a community should request authorship information even if the answer is "this space intentionally left blank" for any of a variety of reasons.

Too much meme stuff doesn't credit content creators, and that will only get worse with AI, whose stock in trade is uncredited plagiarism. Teachers may not be able to stop the march of AI, but they can still teach and to demonstrate good manners and ethical behavior.

#teachers #teaching #memes #education #citations #plagiarism #authorship #writing #WritingCommunity #ethics

h/t @dabeaz

Update. "GPT detectors frequently misclassify non-native English writing as #AI generated, raising concerns about fairness and robustness…GPT detectors could spuriously flag non-native authors’ content as AI #plagiarism, paving the way for undue harassment."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666389923001307