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Replied to stateful being

@unspeaker

> giving everyone enough of that to always ensure survival would allow everyone's actual values to flourish

Who is doing the giving is the question.

Particular risks of UBI imho are e.g. lulling people to sleep while AI destroys the entire jobs market, takes firm hold.. and poof.. UBI disappears again.

Another hypothetical: Using #UBI paid by tariffs to hide destruction of gov social support and installment of a fascist regime.

Related: Microfinancing was also broadly abused.

@smallcircles

money = coordination in 1 dimension

software = coordination in hyperbolic space

hardware = depends on capitalism bc silicon fabs

so there's that tension of finding ways of organizing equitably atop a fundamentally alienated substrate.

#UBI for everyone no questions asked would solve a lot of the contradiction on a much more fundamental level. that's what everyone should be pushing for imo, anything else would be a half-measure that capitalists and bureaucrats will exploit

UBI isn’t about making life “too easy.” It’s about making sure life isn’t unnecessarily cruel.

There are enough issues in the world today that we don't need to add financial insecurity to it.

Also, struggle isn’t noble. Suffering isn’t a character test. Fairness means giving everyone the chance to thrive, not just survive.

And you deserve that chance. You deserve #UBI ❤️

“But who will clean toilets if everyone gets UBI?

Maybe… the people who want to do it, at a fair wage? Maybe... the task will get automated?

Maybe the real question is: why do we accept that some jobs should be so miserable and underpaid that people only do them out of desperation?

#UBI forces us to value labor instead of exploiting it and it gives us the freedom to choose the jobs we take. ❤️

I don't like at all Red Hat #UBI container images, and for all of you that would argue about the security, these images are not much secure as other ones... our duty as engineers is to think in the goal, not to follow the corporate policies no matter the price... someone had to say it

Replied to Lorry

@Lorry

Here's my takeaway from the article:

>...spent two years developing a report which modelled an income-tested Guaranteed Basic Income (GBI)...

>...recommends a five to seven year federal/provincial demonstration project...

Another report. Another demonstration project. No action.

To be fair, the article authors seem as frustrated with the situation as I am.

halifaxexaminer.ca/commentary/

#GuaranteedBasicIncome #GBI #BasicIncome #UniversalBasicIncome #UBI

@HalifaxExaminer

Halifax Examiner · Canada needs to step up and provide Canadians with sustainable income securityBy Sean Casey
Replied to Bob Jonkman

@bobjonkman @HalifaxExaminer

I should add that I haven't read the Halifax Examiner's article - As I seem to have become a professional whistleblower, with no chance of being re-employed and zero income for 3 years I can't afford subscriptions over food and meds. I am kind of invested in the future of this #UBI lark :)

What I am working on is an advocacy network for front-line safety workers, you know the people who look at child abuse and murders all day - #UBI would also be a big help there!

Replied to Bob Jonkman

@bobjonkman @HalifaxExaminer

2/2 Despite what FOX news hosts wail all the time, humans by nature are not lazy so they won't stop working. But UBI would fundamentally change society.

Although Guaranteed Income will help keep people out of poverty, it's a stopgap under firm government control and doesn't change the nature of work at all.

It will be interesting to see who starts talking GI instead of UBI.

#BasicIncomeCanadaNetwork #BICN
#GuaranteedLivableIncome #GLI
#UniversalBasicIncome #UBI

Replied to Bob Jonkman

@bobjonkman @HalifaxExaminer

1/2 They have. And my 500 character limit is annoying here.

UBI at the right level gives workers a choice where they want to work and what wages they will accept, and extends that to people being able to pick zero wage income and just volunteering or running small business that don't need to make a profit. In a strong sense, it creates the ultimate free market capitalism.

#BasicIncomeCanadaNetwork #BICN
#GuaranteedLivableIncome #GLI
#UniversalBasicIncome #UBI