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🔗 David Sommerseth<p>So I've given <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://noc.social/@mailfence" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mailfence</span></a></span> a very quick test on their Free tier.</p><p>That seems to be quite reasonable alternative for e-mail services. In som parts it's what I would expect <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.mailbox.org/@mailbox_org" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mailbox_org</span></a></span> being. Except of one thing: Unencrypted incoming e-mails will not be stored encrypted. </p><p>Since I'm on the free tier currently, I've not tested the IMAP integration.</p><p>The weakness of <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Mailfence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mailfence</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Mailbox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mailbox</span></a> are that the PGP setup requires some efforts to happen. The "settings" panel on Mailfence is cleaner and better organized than mailbox.org, but the latter one is capable of ensuring all received e-mails are stored encrypted - regardless if it was encrypted at arrival or not.</p><p>PGP key management is still not as easy as it should be for non-tech users. "It should just happen automatically", is my stance here. It's close to being good, but you need to explicitly enable encryption on each mail you send - unless you reply to an already encrypted mail. This will confuse users and it will result in more unencrypted mails sent than intended.</p><p>Neither Mailfence nor mailbox.org will decrypt encrypted Subject fields.</p><p>I've briefly tested the WebDAV integration, which seems to work. But WebDAV is not end-to-end-encrypted, so uploaded data will not be stored in so-called "zero access" mode. This means the Mailfence people managing their servers can access and read your data. This will be the same for CalDAV/CardDAV too (calendar and contacts synching)</p><p>Mailbox.org recently announced they will upgrade their login system - which is long overdue. Their OTP setup is currently just confusing and very far from user friendly. Here Mailfence is very straight forward.</p><p>Both Mailfence and <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/mailbox_org" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mailbox_org</span></a> still got quite a long way to provide a properly privacy enabled service. They're on a good path, but currently far from the capabilities of <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>protonprivacy</span></a></span>, even on the most basic features in e-mail.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>email</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/pgp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>pgp</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/openpgp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>openpgp</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/emailservice" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>emailservice</span></a></p>
Carmine<p>1/5 <br>🇪🇺 𝙀𝙪𝙧𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙣 𝙖𝙡𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙨 𝙩𝙤 𝙂𝙢𝙖𝙞𝙡<br>Basic plans<br>🇧🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/COMBELL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>COMBELL</span></a>.com €2,99/mo Professional hosting provider.Secure email services.Enterprise solutions.<br>🇧🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/MAILFENCE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAILFENCE</span></a>.com 🆓 End-to-end encrypted email. No ads, full privacy.<br>🇧🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/NUBO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NUBO</span></a>.coop €2,50/mo Cooperative email provider. Privacy-first approach. Subscription model.<br>🇩🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/ECLIPSO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ECLIPSO</span></a>.eu 🆓 Advertising messages.Multi-functional service.Cloud storage included.<br>🇩🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/GMX" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GMX</span></a>.com/mail/ 🆓 <br>🇩🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/MAIL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAIL</span></a>.de/fr 🆓 Secure email service. Advanced spam protection.<br>🇩🇪 <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/MAILBOX" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MAILBOX</span></a>.org €1,00/mo Secure service with encryption. Integration with office tools.</p>
Gauff 🇪🇺<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://afop.social/@armin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>armin</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://io.mwl.io/@mwl" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mwl</span></a></span> Mail on <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>apple</span></a> is a very difficult thing, I'm in the middle of that myself 😔</p><p>On <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/macos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>macos</span></a> : several options, I find <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>thunderbird</span></a> is the best you can get.</p><p>On <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iOS</span></a>: to my knowledge there is no <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> option for a mail <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IMAP</span></a> client. Which is crazy! Only options are tied to a specific (and external, so not for you) provider: <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/tuta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tuta</span></a> , <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/protonmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>protonmail</span></a> , in my case <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/mailfence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mailfence</span></a> .</p><p>I'm afraid that your only option on <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iOS</span></a> is the default <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/mail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mail</span></a> app...</p><p><a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/selfhost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfhost</span></a> and <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>apple</span></a> clearly don't seem to be good friends...</p>
Low-interest Joan 💐 Mask up<p>Normie noob question alert: is there anywhere that offers a comparison of the following email providers? </p><p>Mailbox <br>Mailfence <br>Posteo <br>TutaMail </p><p>I'm trying to divest from Google's ecosystem, so looking for somewhere to set up for the long-term (preferably based in the EU). </p><p>Any and all replies are also welcome. Thanks, folks! </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Email</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Mailbox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mailbox</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Mailfence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mailfence</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Posteo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Posteo</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Tutamail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tutamail</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Proton" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Proton</span></a></p>
Low-interest Joan 💐 Mask up<p>If / when you can, change your: </p><p>📲 phone to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.fairphone.community/@WeAreFairphone" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>WeAreFairphone</span></a></span><br>💻 laptop to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@frameworkcomputer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>frameworkcomputer</span></a></span><br>📩 email platform to <a href="https://posteo.de/en" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">posteo.de/en</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> / <a href="https://mailfence.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">mailfence.com/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.mailbox.org/@mailbox_org" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mailbox_org</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Tutanota</span></a></span>. <br>📝 office software suite to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@libreoffice" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>libreoffice</span></a></span>. <br>☁️ cloud provider to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>nextcloud</span></a></span></p><p>(All other suggestions / corrections / warnings / caveats welcome!)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/@verge/113996739442933629" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">mastodon.social/@verge/1139967</span><span class="invisible">39442933629</span></a></p><p>h/t <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>aral</span></a></span> via <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@verge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>verge</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FOSS</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Capitalism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Fascism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fascism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/FairPhone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FairPhone</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/FrameWorks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FrameWorks</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Posteo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Posteo</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/MailFence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MailFence</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/MailBox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MailBox</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Tuta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tuta</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/LibreOffice" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LibreOffice</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/NextCloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NextCloud</span></a></p>
Sean Bala<p>Looking for some <a href="https://mas.to/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> advice. Trying to move from <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Gmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gmail</span></a> to more secure <a href="https://mas.to/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>email</span></a> accounts. Set up free <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>protonprivacy</span></a></span> account and was planning on doing one more. Planned on using <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Mailfence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mailfence</span></a> but they won't let me register. I was thinking of going with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@startmail" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>startmail</span></a></span> or <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@fastmail" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fastmail</span></a></span> as a general secure inbox. Any thoughts or experiences with them? A third option is to do Mail Plus with <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Proton" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Proton</span></a> and have just one box. Wanted to keep costs lower ($5 or below). Doing this as part <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@cyberlyra" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cyberlyra</span></a></span>'s Cyber Cleanse!</p>